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win11 insider version can be downloaded from

https://uupdump.net/

I like win 11 but wait more time

installed on VM, for testing-great, also windows 11 - have "potential" :)

I've just upgraded to win11 and it add nothing for me when compared to windows 10. And as I've installed WSL2, well, my vmware windows x64 guest are no longer working. Even my linux VM are hanging on reboot.
Of course, drap&drop is no longer working too on the taskbar :(
So, I think I will rollback to windows 10 and stick with it.

Microsoft has been releasing betas for a few years now that are not stable until 6 months after release. So your experience sounds normal but conclusion of never installing is premature, they will stop security updates and force it in 3 years regardless.

I no longer bother with major Windows releases until around the 5 or 6 month mark when they are stable and the hardware drivers also made stable unless they are really lightweight superficial ones. It's like Windows insider is useless and ignored largely. Personally their model now is infuriating though its teaching patience over "latest and greatest".

I imagine around March Win11 will be good enough, if anyone can stomach the exponentially increasing spyware in the product.

Hi,

VMware (Workstation) already allows Win11 running as a guest OS. The good detail, you may skip if installer gives "This PC can't run Windows 11". Here're the instructions:

https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/86207

I will have a try before deciding to migrate from 10 to 11 in bare metal.

Cheers,

I was afraid on migrating but in the end migration was smooth and OS is very simplified when compared to windows 10. I noticed some small bugs at first like mouse not responding when clicking on certain situations or OS refusing to shutdown but after the last update they seemed to have fixed these issues.

notepad.exe as a 0.2 MB standalone executable does no longer exist. (Note: technically it does still exist, but it just launches the "app")

NotepadApp.exe is a 70 MB "app":

It has a startup time of 2 seconds
It requires you to sign in with a valid Microsoft Account the first time you use it
It will no longer be updated by Windows Update, instead it requires Windows Store to update
It will annoy you with "you need an update" messages inside the "app"
You have to sign in with a valid Microsoft Account to use the Store
While in Windows 10 Pro/Education/Enterprise it was possible to use the Store without Microsoft Account if you were in a corporate environment, Windows 11 forces the use of a Microsoft Account even if you are part of an Active Directory Domain and use Windows 11 Enterprise Edition

Now lets talk about cmd.exe vs. WindowsTerminal.exe and its 5 second startup time...

I would not call this "bugs". I would call it intentional user mucking or always online compulsion. "Windows Phone" has been dead for years and a "Microsoft Surface" has a screen size comparable to a laptop, so I really don't get why Microsoft keeps going converting everything to useless "apps".

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Originally Posted by Kerlingen (Post 124096)

notepad.exe as a 0.2 MB standalone executable does no longer exist. (Note: technically it does still exist, but it just launches the "app")

NotepadApp.exe is a 70 MB "app":

It has a startup time of 2 seconds
It requires you to sign in with a valid Microsoft Account the first time you use it
It will no longer be updated by Windows Update, instead it requires Windows Store to update
It will annoy you with "you need an update" messages inside the "app"
You have to sign in with a valid Microsoft Account to use the Store
While in Windows 10 Pro/Education/Enterprise it was possible to use the Store without Microsoft Account if you were in a corporate environment, Windows 11 forces the use of a Microsoft Account even if you are part of an Active Directory Domain and use Windows 11 Enterprise Edition

Well said.
On cursory inspection I noticed that literally everything launches a lot slower on the same hardware compared to windows 10.
Not upgrading anytime soon.

From article based on what Microsoft claimed:

Quote:

https://www.techadvisor.com/news/windows/why-windows-11-faster-than-windows-10-3808413/

That includes improved memory management, which allows Windows 11 to better prioritise apps and processes that are used most often. Even if the CPU is occupied with a demanding task, apps will still be able to launch quickly and run in the foreground without issue. This also works for specific tabs and windows within Microsoft’s Edge browser.

Better memory management also means Windows 11 devices can wake from sleep much faster. Microsoft says it has optimised when specific hardware components are called on, ensuring only those necessary for smooth performance are activated. Instant wake from sleep is one of the pillars of Intel’s Evo Platform, but that relies on the latest Intel chips.

In terms of pure processing power, Windows 11 will also supposedly be more efficient than Windows 10. This aims to reduce the load on the CPU and avoid the need for throttling.

the calls to specific hardware components, making sure only the necessary ones are turned on. At the software level, Windows 11 will supposedly be more efficient with the processing power it uses – this should reduce the load on the CPU and avoid the need for throttling.

Elsewhere, Windows 11’s reduced disk footprint means the OS takes up significantly less space on the device’s hard drive. This has been achieved by expanding the use of compression technologies and using a default ‘stub’ state for non-critical apps. Aside from slightly longer load times, there should be no effect on functionality.

Can anyone comment on these claims. If not true I will also wait the 3 years to upgrade.

I also dont like the app store style apps becoming prominent. They have their place, and should be at most an extra option, but not a substitute or replacement. They were a great idea when the phone was still around, but again catering to some specific apps only. But they are frustrating when trying to replace any developer productivity or system management tools. The experience is for superficial users which are the majority but horrible for power users.

Based on all the videos I've seen on Windows 11 from the various major tech YouTuber channels; Windows 11 so far has proven to be slower than Windows 10. Completely the opposite of what Microsoft has been trying to boost about it. Couple that with the new Intel CPU launch that was partnered with Microsoft to have a better schedular based around their new E-Core/P-Core setup, reviews also showed the CPUs still performed better on Windows 10.

Windows 11 so far to me is just a reskin of Win10 with new means of locking the OS down for more telemetry data. They have changed almost all the basic/simple apps from simple Win32 exe's into bloated UWP apps or similar. (ie. Notepad is like 70mb now instead of being 200-300kb.)

I haven't personally installed it to try it out since I have no interest in Windows 10 or 11. I have 10 installed for work related stuff, and I have it heavily modified/locked down so it has no means of updating or sending anything out unless I say so etc. Personally wont be touching 11 ever unless Microsoft rolls back some of their anti-consumer nonsense they are doing with it so far. (Update settings being blocked, the dumb as fuck task bar / right-click menu changes, the nonsense with default apps like Edge browser, etc.)

With gaming on Linux getting closer to being a mainstream thing, they are going to seriously need to stop being idiots towards their userbase or more people will just make the move to Linux in the future.

A small update: I switched to Windows 11 over the holidays and I have been using it for 3 weeks now. While there are many annoyances with the user interface or the absence of settings you were allowed to change before, most of the performance parts were just that it "feels" slower.

But now I can report one massive verifiable performance hit:

I regularly have to record screen-casts. I always first record them using my GPU in 4K resolution and in "h264" format (only 1-2% CPU load). After that I use FFMPEG and my CPU to scale them down to Full-HD and encode them into the "x265" format.
On Windows 10 FFMPEG is able to do the CPU-only encoding with a speed of "4.35x", which means it takes around 21 minutes to encode the 90 minute source video to "x265".
On Windows 10 my total CPU load is at 50% (50% of the cores at 100% load, FFMPEG doesn't use SMT cores for optimal cache usage)
On Windows 11 the same procedure only gets to speed "1.69x" which means it takes around 53 minutes to encode the same 90 minute source video.
On Windows 11 my total CPU load just gets to 20% (50% of the cores are used, but all of them are just at 35-50% load)

Wasn't Windows 11 supposed to have an improved scheduler? I think I will switch back to Windows 10 the next time I have a few free days.

not 100% on topic, but .. does the mail tools work on Win11 too? x64dbg for example, most popular plugins etc. Anyone tested already?

thanks
Shub