I had a bash at NoobyProtect last night. I must say very good protection even from the demo version.

My Olly Breakpoints "BP MessageBoxA" did not work on the NoobyProtect'ed target.

Well Done Nooby, going to be playing more...

Without dongle access and Enveloped, is it cracked-able?!:confused:

Why do you ask? :) Anyway, it is.

Because I have one of this kind and also asked some reversers and they always ask dongle to do :(

This would be very interesting if it were true.

Without access to the dongle which usually contains the decryption key, one would have only two choices: 1. bruteforce, 2. give up. Unless the implementation uses DES or some damn weak encryption, then it becomes interesting.

Do you mind to shed some more light over here, Syoma?

This topic is not about CodeMeter. Anyway, I said enough. You may do a research and share more results with all of us. :)

Not in the wild, but it is used successfully to protect some custom software.

I know this because i implemeted the protectiopn for a small company

Well if that program is custom and barely used then no real cracker has seen it yet, so it has not been tested against cracking. So perhaps it is not successfully protected. :)

There will never be a software protection that will be uncrackable! If it executes it can be cracked / patched / loaded / keygenned / replicated / duplicated or whatever. 'They' can only make it harder and harder, but it's just that one has to posses the necessary knowledge or invent it and have lots of patience!

It can be me or you or any body. This is the circle of life. I am not gonna talk about ethics and bla bla, but, just emphasizing on one thing.

Don't try to outsmart reverser's. We are here to quench our thirst for knowledge and we are watching."
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All media protectors(Securom, Starforce, SafeDisc(Cast), ProtectDisc, SolidShield, ActiveMark) is possible to launch/crack/bypass without original cd or activation key etc so they can't be good. Mostly likely uncrackable protection will be hardware approach with multi-threaded VM and shared context unfortunately there no such protection :) Imho best was Starforce 3.7 but still ...

That`s seems WinLicense&Themida very Rock and Inscrutable...
Protecting with software + obfuscation and encoding seems best way.
But all software-protection be crackable.;)

Enigma, WinLicense & Themida, Nooby.

Enigma, winlicense & themida.

I don't know for sure guys what are you talking about here, but the truth is that VMP is #1 is SW protectors
that is not the ads, but a sad reality.
I don't say its not crackable, but for sure, very strong and well organized beast.

Well then, opinions differ. :)

Though VMprotect is less documented, it's hardly more difficult than Winlicense.
And definitely not as well coded as WL.

VMprotect is more difficult than WinLicense ?

Examples please.

Is there public information available about VMProtect VM? Is there information about RISC VM?

At least the latter seems way harder to me.

Sorry. I do not know if I understand correctly.

You're referring to the difficulty for non-public information or documentation.
Right?

I ask about difficulty of protections. I thought until now that was stronger WinLicense although there a lot of public documentation.

Oh, I see your point. Yes, the fact that WL is pretty good documented (quo, Deathway, ...) doesn't say it's less secure. Security by obscurity usually doesn't work in cryptography, why would it be any better in RCE. ;)
Edit: Other way round, sometimes security by obscurity is all you can rely on in RCE. Disproving my own arguments, that's the way to go!

I just compared VMs from what I know about them and RISC seems to be way more confusing than VMP.

Definitely, the RISC VM is awesome. Well coded and most awesome, you can see the work that has gone into it. And a lot harder than anything VMP has.

But mostly actually the good stuff in VMprotect is stolen from other protections. It's heap antidump comes from Winlicense and it's CPUID comes from securom. Also it's obfuscation is retarded. It's VM is pretty OK though, they do a good job confusing you at first. And the fact it's VM exits have the same signature as their main handler is nice.

It's not bad and with the info around perhaps harder than WL, but imho it's a lot worse.

Hi,

If I'm not wrong than the "Senselock Dongle" has never been cracked or Emulated. Even not from professional crackers. Never seen a release from a software which uses this Dongle.

At the moment I know only two apps, which uses this dongle.

InteriCAD 6000
http://www.yfcad.com/Products/intericad6000.php

VideoCAD 7.0
http://www.cctvcad.com/CCTVCAD-Information.html

More Info:

http://seculab.ru/en/projects-senselock.php
http://www.sense.com.cn/xwdt/cfca.htm

Maybe someone have more information about this.

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mnemonic72

The same thing is for Rockey 6 and all other smartcards based products.
Exactly, there is always a chance to break protection with success. It depends on the algorithms developers put into dongle.

Lol, it's cracked already :D

@mnemonic72: you do not see those are cracked that not mean SenseLock is not cracked nor uncrack-able. I know some mates here reversed some apps with that protection completely.

In the Visual Fox Pro terms it seems that Defox IV is at this moment uncrackable. Reversing the Defox IV seems impossible for the moment. In the general section is a attachament protected (sample) with the Defox IV and posted there by the author itself. It claims it's unbreakable.

My Opinion
 

Arma and themeda I think are the best:D

I'm sorry, you are right guys. Its not a good indication that if something have not shown up in the public, it still could already be defeated :)

I could be wrong, but isnt on those SmarCard Based cards, a code "processed" inside the SmardCard and not only Question and Answer principle like other dongles.

Now that Defox IV is gone......
 

In terms of VFP the Visual FoxPro Compiler by Mr. Chen seems impossible of reversing on the usual way. It can only be disassembled not decompiled. So... Bad news for FoxPro reversers.

Execryptor is my best

any one can be crack the new format in winlisence?

What do you mean by new format?

What is the difference?

I wonder if anyone managed to do DNGuard HVM ? as i have been told it is next to impossible to unpack it.

@EAX666 there are tools for it. It is nothing too special, just another JIT-hooking .NET protector.

Enigma and Molebox together, I try to unpack this method with a visual basic app that I created, sincerely I cannot do it. The exeinfo inform nothing, the rdg inform only enigma, if you try the unpack enigma the soft crash.

For Enigma up to 3.7 exists a public solution (1. by Raham 2. by LCF-AT) for upper versions are kept private, and Molebox is easy meal, all versions have been cracked.

VMProtect is the best uncrackable protection without hardware.

I think flexlm with ECC is the best.

snpslmd.exe daemon

My vote goes toward VMProtect.

WmProtect can be unpacked with LCF-AT Vmprotect 1.xx - 2.xx Ultra Unpacker V1.0.... thanks to LCF-AT.