Windows 11
 

Has anyone watched this version? The design was changed there, but the design is not interesting. I wonder what's inside. Shows the version of the files is 10.0, and the version of the Windows itself too.

It's look like another version of windows 10..

Torrent from https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6069154

Windows 11 can run Android apps.

Intel Bridge Technology is a runtime post-compiler that enables applications to run natively on x86-based devices, including running those applications on Windows. Intel’s multi-architecture XPU strategy provides the right engines for the right workloads by integrating leading CPU cores, graphics technology, artificial intelligence accelerators, image processors and more, in a single, verified solution.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-tech-unleashes-windows-experience.html

Hope that we can sideload apk file for apps that not available on Amazon App Store.

well, right now i have no interest in Windows 11 which won't even support 7gen processor... you can only install the dev build and test and report bugs.. and they fix and on the final day well get bamboos from Microsoft because we don't have 8gen processor.. we are just beta tester.. XD

It's not a guarantee but Microsoft is 'listening' to all the backlash they got when they announced the requirements and may dial it back some to older processors over time:

Overall though, people already showed the current requirements and even the reduced ones are all nonsense and you can install it on some extremely old stuff without issue. Just requires some modifications to the ISO (mainly overwriting some installer files with Windows 10 versions to make it ignore hardware checks and such.)

Microsoft did this similar thing with Windows 10 by trying to lock it to newer processors before but the community quickly made patches to bypass that as well. Results will obviously vary based on driver/chipset support and if older drivers that were able to work with Win10 will still work on 11 going forward.

The newer processor requirement is a joke. The only real important aspect is the number of cores. I'd take a octacore or hexacore of an older generation over a quad or dual core of a newer generation based on my experience.

Microsoft seems to be exponentially adding services doing random stuff lately though. Moore's law is no longer halving transistor size and doubling speed. Noe the new rule is software halving performance by doubling background tasks. So you have to double cores every few years.

It's a gigantic waste as most of us are not doing computational tasks often to require it. The heavy amount of power saving in chip design shows you that as long as it's not eating too much electricity though, they do not care. The chipmakers justify their lack of advance in clock speeds by adding cores that the software then justifies. Of course there are cool things we can do with parallel programming and all those cores, but its pretty niche. Well like brute forcing for one :)

Agree with you.
This makes any sense in real life practice?

I agree with chants, and Windows after 7 doesn't makes any sense to be honest.
8, 8.1, 10 and 11 doesn't bring anything useful to the table.

Wouldn't say that they didn't bring anything useful at all. Just that the negatives generally outweighed the positives for most people.


Windows 8 / 8.1:
- New Features: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8

Windows 10:
- New Features: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10


I'd say both Windows 8.1 and 10 have had excellent new features and changes/upgrades that made them great operating systems, but they were shadowed by the extremely poor choices and changes that Microsoft also bundled into each OS.

Windows 8 and 8.1 biggest change that pushed people away was the start menu. Trying to force the 'Metro Tiles' onto desktop users was an extremely stupid move and wasn't done with any real good-faith reason behind it. It was solely to try to save their failing mobile phone marketshare with Windows Phone 7 and newer. The phones were a massive failure and their last attempt to save it was force that ecosystem onto every device to try to make one consistent experience. (Which obviously failed and wasn't at all what desktop users wanted.)

Windows 10 tried to win back people with a older style Start Menu but still kept the live tiles no one wanted. But the biggest reasons people hated Windows 10 instead were the forced telemetry, forced Cortona, forced updates and the horrible redo of Windows Search that tried to bring in web searching that just completely broke search altogether. Otherwise Win 10 is a very solid operating system.


In each situation, you can 'fix' the operating system and get it back to where you'd want it with some tweaks, modding, and extra work. I personally use Windows 10 mostly now and love it. I just take the extra time when first reinstalling to lock down the OS, remove all the garbage I don't want, replace the Search, and get things setup how I want. I did the same with Windows 8.1 when I was using that as my main OS of choice too.

Window 11 Performance: There was some internal change made to the kernel mode scheduler in Windows 11, the performance difference vs Windows 10 is quite noticeable.

@atom0s - You are correct. A friend of mine was able to do this by overwriting certain things with the Windows 10 .wim .. I will enquire to him about the details.

I've been worried about their TPM and others restriction on requirement, seems all my old pc and laptop would not be eligible to install/update this version,
they push really hard on hardware

Still Windows 7. No interest in Windows 11 or 10.

it feel like there try be like mac. I thought Microsoft said that win 10 was last version of windows.

unfortunate win 10 is a necessity

need use to be able install all latest compilers office app for it,

sorry 7 terminated game over.

does win11 run andriod app yet? last time I tried it didn't have the amazon store nor running the android app yet.

win11 insider version can be downloaded from

https://uupdump.net/

I like win 11 but wait more time

installed on VM, for testing-great, also windows 11 - have "potential" :)

I've just upgraded to win11 and it add nothing for me when compared to windows 10. And as I've installed WSL2, well, my vmware windows x64 guest are no longer working. Even my linux VM are hanging on reboot.
Of course, drap&drop is no longer working too on the taskbar :(
So, I think I will rollback to windows 10 and stick with it.

Microsoft has been releasing betas for a few years now that are not stable until 6 months after release. So your experience sounds normal but conclusion of never installing is premature, they will stop security updates and force it in 3 years regardless.

I no longer bother with major Windows releases until around the 5 or 6 month mark when they are stable and the hardware drivers also made stable unless they are really lightweight superficial ones. It's like Windows insider is useless and ignored largely. Personally their model now is infuriating though its teaching patience over "latest and greatest".

I imagine around March Win11 will be good enough, if anyone can stomach the exponentially increasing spyware in the product.

Hi,

VMware (Workstation) already allows Win11 running as a guest OS. The good detail, you may skip if installer gives "This PC can't run Windows 11". Here're the instructions:

https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/86207

I will have a try before deciding to migrate from 10 to 11 in bare metal.

Cheers,

I was afraid on migrating but in the end migration was smooth and OS is very simplified when compared to windows 10. I noticed some small bugs at first like mouse not responding when clicking on certain situations or OS refusing to shutdown but after the last update they seemed to have fixed these issues.

notepad.exe as a 0.2 MB standalone executable does no longer exist. (Note: technically it does still exist, but it just launches the "app")

NotepadApp.exe is a 70 MB "app":

• It has a startup time of 2 seconds
• It requires you to sign in with a valid Microsoft Account the first time you use it
• It will no longer be updated by Windows Update, instead it requires Windows Store to update
• It will annoy you with "you need an update" messages inside the "app"
• You have to sign in with a valid Microsoft Account to use the Store
• While in Windows 10 Pro/Education/Enterprise it was possible to use the Store without Microsoft Account if you were in a corporate environment, Windows 11 forces the use of a Microsoft Account even if you are part of an Active Directory Domain and use Windows 11 Enterprise Edition

Now lets talk about cmd.exe vs. WindowsTerminal.exe and its 5 second startup time...

I would not call this "bugs". I would call it intentional user mucking or always online compulsion. "Windows Phone" has been dead for years and a "Microsoft Surface" has a screen size comparable to a laptop, so I really don't get why Microsoft keeps going converting everything to useless "apps".

Well said.
On cursory inspection I noticed that literally everything launches a lot slower on the same hardware compared to windows 10.
Not upgrading anytime soon.

From article based on what Microsoft claimed:

Can anyone comment on these claims. If not true I will also wait the 3 years to upgrade.

I also dont like the app store style apps becoming prominent. They have their place, and should be at most an extra option, but not a substitute or replacement. They were a great idea when the phone was still around, but again catering to some specific apps only. But they are frustrating when trying to replace any developer productivity or system management tools. The experience is for superficial users which are the majority but horrible for power users.

Based on all the videos I've seen on Windows 11 from the various major tech YouTuber channels; Windows 11 so far has proven to be slower than Windows 10. Completely the opposite of what Microsoft has been trying to boost about it. Couple that with the new Intel CPU launch that was partnered with Microsoft to have a better schedular based around their new E-Core/P-Core setup, reviews also showed the CPUs still performed better on Windows 10.

Windows 11 so far to me is just a reskin of Win10 with new means of locking the OS down for more telemetry data. They have changed almost all the basic/simple apps from simple Win32 exe's into bloated UWP apps or similar. (ie. Notepad is like 70mb now instead of being 200-300kb.)

I haven't personally installed it to try it out since I have no interest in Windows 10 or 11. I have 10 installed for work related stuff, and I have it heavily modified/locked down so it has no means of updating or sending anything out unless I say so etc. Personally wont be touching 11 ever unless Microsoft rolls back some of their anti-consumer nonsense they are doing with it so far. (Update settings being blocked, the dumb as fuck task bar / right-click menu changes, the nonsense with default apps like Edge browser, etc.)

With gaming on Linux getting closer to being a mainstream thing, they are going to seriously need to stop being idiots towards their userbase or more people will just make the move to Linux in the future.

A small update: I switched to Windows 11 over the holidays and I have been using it for 3 weeks now. While there are many annoyances with the user interface or the absence of settings you were allowed to change before, most of the performance parts were just that it "feels" slower.

But now I can report one massive verifiable performance hit:

• I regularly have to record screen-casts. I always first record them using my GPU in 4K resolution and in "h264" format (only 1-2% CPU load). After that I use FFMPEG and my CPU to scale them down to Full-HD and encode them into the "x265" format.
• On Windows 10 FFMPEG is able to do the CPU-only encoding with a speed of "4.35x", which means it takes around 21 minutes to encode the 90 minute source video to "x265".
• On Windows 10 my total CPU load is at 50% (50% of the cores at 100% load, FFMPEG doesn't use SMT cores for optimal cache usage)
• On Windows 11 the same procedure only gets to speed "1.69x" which means it takes around 53 minutes to encode the same 90 minute source video.
• On Windows 11 my total CPU load just gets to 20% (50% of the cores are used, but all of them are just at 35-50% load)

Wasn't Windows 11 supposed to have an improved scheduler? I think I will switch back to Windows 10 the next time I have a few free days.

not 100% on topic, but .. does the mail tools work on Win11 too? x64dbg for example, most popular plugins etc. Anyone tested already?

thanks
Shub