Interesting, sounds like I did pick a hard one didn't I, not sure what went wrong last time, but tried it again this arvo, and got to the same stage as R@dier and Ferrari no probs, guess I'd better decide whether in light of what you said whether I want to leave this one go for a while, kinda depends on what the others decide I think.
Thanks for your help anyway, I think I have learned a bit out of this thread so far anyway.