Mr. Doug again... you clearly missed my point.. yes i'm talking about speed.. and never mentioned other languages which i consider very goood with stability/speed and without using any 30 MB of libraries except the ones windows brings by default framework don't give any advantage?? you haven't asnwer my cuestion.. what advantages it gives.. apart of other way of microsoft to gain more $$.. maybe you work for microsoft developers for framework.. ..hehehehe

and yes i know what i'm talking .. i have used many program of any kinds and protections... and never seen before such crap as .net programing ..used to use a program for editing pictures and it was builded using VB 6 ...author cames with .NET and there was many differences apart of taking ages to load and some times bringing dialog errors... etc also had to get framework.again 30 MB of libraries.... GOD save me from framework again i instantly get rid of the crappy stuff and never used again.. if you're a developer think about changing for a good programming language to framework...you could lost many customers for that reason.. it's like using asprotect and then becoming to use Armadillo with copymen .. just an example .. with Ultraedit.. many people don't like it since it uses copymen.in my case i still use version 10.0c :-)

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