beating IsDebuggerPresent for my unpacker

dyn!o · #1 03-01-2005, 07:39

Looks nice (logic). Anyway, won't work on 9x family.

Now, all hardcore maniacs, tell me why?

Regards.

upb · #2 03-01-2005, 09:02

give me a kernel32.dll from 9x and i'll answer you hehe

(i dont have any laying around here and dont have any docs about win9x TIB, PEB(?!?) either).

dyn!o · #3 03-01-2005, 16:53

Hey, that would be too easy

You are accessing segment register to obtain the address of PEB and read process data. Since TEB (or TIB if you like) and PEB are well settled on WinNT clones but not on Win9x family, you have to be familiar with Win9x/WinNT kernels.

TEB is not a problem here because its field is the same on all Windows. The problematic topic in your example is PEB.

By using two additional APIs you will be able to add Win9x compatibility to the method you presented.

I made my homework. Who's next (to tell us which APIs I'm talking about or/and present another solution)?

Regards.

#4 03-01-2005, 17:29

upb you want 9x IsDebuggerPresent raw code in kernel32.dll ??

her it is if you wanted that

Code:

BFF946F6 IsDebuggerPresent    A1 E49CFCBF      MOV EAX,DWORD PTR DS:[BFFC9CE4]
BFF946FB                      8B08             MOV ECX,DWORD PTR DS:[EAX]
BFF946FD                      8379 54 01       CMP DWORD PTR DS:[ECX+54],1
BFF94701                      1BC0             SBB EAX,EAX
BFF94703                      40               INC EAX
BFF94704                      C3               RETN

well on being single stepped through

Code:

DS:[BFFC9CE4]=C00309C8
EAX=00401000 (OLLYDBG.<ModuleEntryPoint>)

second instruction

Code:

DS:[C00309C8]=81752074
ECX=81752094

Code:

817520B4  3C 21 75 81 B0 A0 5F C1 80 0B 75 81 80 26 75 81  <!u���_��u��&u�
817520C4  BC 47 74 81 0C D0 5B 83 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  �Gt�.�[�........

flag position on compare

Code:

EAX C00309C8
ECX 81752074
EDX 817520D4
EBX 00680000
ESP 0078FE38
EBP 0078FF78
ESI 81752074
EDI 00000000
EIP BFF946FD KERNEL32.BFF946FD
C 0  ES 016F 32bit 0(97A0)
P 1  CS 0167 32bit 0(FFFFFFFF)
A 0  SS 016F 32bit 0(97A0)
Z 0  DS 016F 32bit 0(97A0)
S 1  FS 3517 16bit 81752270(37)
T 0  GS 0000 NULL
D 0
O 1  LastErr ERROR_INVALID_NAME (0000007B)
EFL 00200A86 (O,NB,NE,A,S,PE,GE,G)

flag position after compare

Code:

EAX C00309C8
ECX 81752074
EDX 817520D4
EBX 00680000
ESP 0078FE38
EBP 0078FF78
ESI 81752074
EDI 00000000
EIP BFF94701 KERNEL32.BFF94701
C 0  ES 016F 32bit 0(97A0)
P 0  CS 0167 32bit 0(FFFFFFFF)
A 0  SS 016F 32bit 0(97A0)
Z 0  DS 016F 32bit 0(97A0)
S 1  FS 3517 16bit 81752270(37)
T 0  GS 0000 NULL
D 0
O 0  LastErr ERROR_INVALID_NAME (0000007B)
EFL 00200282 (NO,NB,NE,A,S,PO,L,LE)

on return

Return to 00401005 (OLLYDBG.00401005)

Code:

registers and flag on return 
EAX 00000001
ECX 81752074
EDX 817520D4
EBX 00680000
ESP 0078FE38
EBP 0078FF78
ESI 81752074
EDI 00000000
EIP BFF94704 KERNEL32.BFF94704
C 0  ES 016F 32bit 0(97A0)
P 0  CS 0167 32bit 0(FFFFFFFF)
A 0  SS 016F 32bit 0(97A0)
Z 0  DS 016F 32bit 0(97A0)
S 0  FS 3517 16bit 81752270(37)
T 0  GS 0000 NULL
D 0
O 0  LastErr ERROR_INVALID_NAME (0000007B)
EFL 00200202 (NO,NB,NE,A,NS,PO,GE,G)

now ollydbg cant see the address 0xc00309c8

upb · #5 03-01-2005, 21:51

i started reading the MSJ may 1996 article and found another thing that can be used to check for a debugger in win9x:

Quote:

Windows 95 TIB fields
The 20h DWORD DebugContext field normally contains the value zero. However, when you're debugging the thread's process, this field contains a pointer to a structure that contains register values and is similar to, but not the same as, the CONTEXT structure defined in WINNT.H.

however, reading JuneMouse's (thx) post, kernel code is clearly checking something else, dereferencing a pointer in kernel32.dll memory? seems that this pointer points into kernel (so called 'kernel' memory under win9x hehe, >= 0x80000000) memory.

Dno, after researching for 30 mins, i dont have enough motivation to add support for this ancient architecture :P
anyone who does, read this article: hxxp://www.microsoft.com/msj/archive/S2CE.aspx

Quote:

The 30h PVOID* pProcess field contains a linear address for the process database representing the process that owns the thread. However, this is not the same as a process handle or process ID.

however,there is no info on the PDB format there...

#6 03-01-2005, 23:15

well what you posted about fs:[20] was documented some where in wasm.ru
when i searched

here is a snippet from there i had saved

Code:

mov     ecx,fs:[20h]
        jecxz   not_being_debugger

dunno never tried looking into it

as i love my w2k

the article is here

http://wasm.ru/article.php?article=1017001

also there was some mention of fs:[60] in a japanese page

��OllyDbg��ʾ��롸��Υ��`��Υ��`��`�ɤϡ�FS:[34]��(Win2k/XP)�ޤ��ϡ�FS:[60]��(Win9x/Me)�΂��Ǥ��Υ��`��`�ɤ΂��GetLastError�v��Α��ꂎ��һ�¤��ʤ��`��⤢��ޤ��ؤ�Windows2000/XP�ǤΤ�GetLastError�v��ǥ��`��`�ɤ�ȡ�ÿ��ܤ�API�v��ע

some more storage of info here is an url to the code i pasted
if some one want to test it in 9x

http://www.powerbasic.com/support/forums/Forum6/HTML/004517.html

Code:

Function IsDebuggerAttached() as Long
         Local vi As OSVERSIONINFO
         Local IsWin9x As Long
         Local Dw As Dword
         Local i  As Dword
  vi.dwOsVersionInfoSize = SizeOf(vi)
  GetVersionEx vi
  IsWin9x = ((vi.dwPlatformId = %VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS) And (vi.dwMinorVersion = 0)) Or _
             ((vi.dwPlatformId = %VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS) And (vi.dwMinorVersion <> 0))
  If IsWin9x Then
        !push eax                        '// Preserve the registers
        !mov eax, fs:[&h18]              '// Get the TIB's linear address
        !mov eax, dword ptr [eax + &h20] '// Debugger Contex for Win9x
        !mov dword ptr dw,  eax          '// Save it
        !pop eax                         '// Restore the registers
        If Dw Then
           Function = -1
        Else
           Function = 0
        End If
   Else
        !push eax                        '// Preserve the registers
        !push ecx
        !mov eax, fs:[&h18]              '// Get the TIB's linear address
        !mov eax, dword ptr [eax + &h30]
        !mov ecx, dword ptr [eax]        '// Get the whole DWORD
        !mov dword ptr dw,  ecx          '// Save it
        !pop ecx                         '// Restore the registers
        !pop eax 
   '// The 3rd byte is the byte we really need to check for the
   '// presence of a debugger.
   '// Check the 3rd byte
       i= dw And &h00010000???
       If i Then
          Function = -1
       Else
          Function = 0 
       End If
   End If

D-Jester · #7 03-01-2005, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by upb

i dont have enough motivation to add support for this ancient architecture

This of course is becoming the norm. While prevelence of the 9x OS is still stifling despite its own creator no longer supporting it, whether to add support is really based on the targeted audience. Even if you don't add support you should still add OS detection for error prevention.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuneMouse

also there was some mention of fs:[60] in a japanese page

babelfish Translation of : http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA028184/OllyDbgQA.htm

"Thread Information Block (TIB)" with it is the local housing territory of the thread which is called. As for the first address of this data block making use of the segmented register, "FS: [ 18 ] "With it can acquire. Furthermore, with NT system OS originally this data block is called "Thread Environment Block (TEB)" with, but both between the reverse engineer is called TIB.

' OllyDbg ' it indicates as for "the error cord/code of" last error "FS: [ 34 ] "(Win2k/XP) or" FS: [ 60 ] "(Win9x/Me) it is value. However, there is also a case where value of this error cord/code does not match the return value of GetLastError function. With only especially Windows2000/XP the error cord/code please pay attention to acquisition possible API function with GetLastError function. Furthermore, don't you think? ' special frame is �� 57 ' the function which converts the error cord/code to the Japanese descriptive text is mounted, (inside "the application control" window).

By the way, with the main thread of �ǥХå��` "FS: [ 04 ] "With" FS: [ 08 ] "The stacked area it is possible also from value to specify.

#8 03-02-2005, 05:01

Code:

; debug api test
;================
	mov eax,cs
	cmp ax,0FFh
	setg Is9x
	.if Is9x
		;; structures are documented by EliCZ
		mov eax,fs:[20h];TIB.DebugContext
		test eax,eax
		setnz al
		or Detected,al
		mov ebx,fs:[30h];TIB.pParentPDB
		mov eax,[ebx+20h];[ebx].PDB.flags
		and eax,1;fDebugSingle equ 1
		or Detected,al
		mov eax,[ebx+54h];[ebx].PDB.DebuggeeCB  :IsDebuggerPresent
		test eax,eax
		setnz al
		or Detected,al
	.else
		;; ddk
		mov eax,fs:[30h];TEB.pPEB         ; pointer to PEB
		movzx eax,byte ptr [eax+2];[eax].PEB.BeingDebugged   :IsDebuggerPresent
		or Detected,al
	.endif

you can't patch DebugContext in 9x
while BeingDebugged you can (upb's 1st post)

debug api in 9x suck
for example try to trace (single step)
not esp
not esp
*crash*

forget about 9x, support only NT (it's only a unpacker, unpacked exe must work on both)

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