What to use now as VC++

[omidgl]

I think if you don't need to involve yourself with .NET and Microsoft IL, then VC++ 6 is steal the best environment for every real programmers.

[aldente]

As for the Delphi tool, i have not played with Delphi 2005 yet. I am working with ASP.NET (C#) and what can i say...just another tool that generates an income for my life.

Well, ASP.NET is maybe one of the few things, .NET is usefull for, so you don't have to use crappy php-stuff.

But for traditional Windows-programming, .NET is really shitty bullshit.

As a development enviroment there are better alternatives: Source Insight, Slickedit, Codewright
VS is good but its power comes from libraries/frameworks that come with :
MFC,.NET etc....

To vladlp:
If you want to compile for 64-bit windows xp. The best compiler is VS2005 which support compile 64-bit project directly.
VS6 and VS.net can be used also. But you should install 64-bit platform sdk and modify the project setting manual.

I faced this problem 1 month ago
The big problem is not the compiler itself but the libraries.
The first try was to use DDK (which is the only non beta stuff that containd AMD 64 bit compiler)
Since DDK focuses on drivers I got easily libraries problems and problems related of adapting projects to DDK building env.
Normally the AMD64 support should be delivered with Platform SDK
It seems there is a platform SDK (non public) beta that has AMD 64 support. Unfortunately I couldnt get it. Im still wondering why they dont realease a SDK that includes AMD64.
The latest VSNET 2005 has the compiler and the libraries for a lot of targets including AMD64. So I had to install a lot og Gigs only fot this AMD64.
It sucks but its the only way
But remember the best way is to get that platform SDK( I post the number later cuz I dont have it here) that has AMD64

Originally Posted by Big_or_what

Well, ASP.NET is maybe one of the few things, .NET is usefull for, so you don't have to use crappy php-stuff.

But for traditional Windows-programming, .NET is really shitty bullshit.

Well, power of computers doubles about every 18 months, they say. But developers don't get faster at the same rate. So, I see creation of frameworks that increase effectiveness of developers as a good thing (even if these frameworks add some overhead to programs). You are probably aware that similar things had been said about C++ by C programmers. Why make religion out of programming? I think the most important criterion in most cases should be whether it's good for business.

As far as performance is concerned (at least, that of C#), take a look at Does C# Measure Up? (why isn't this link rendered as one?... suka)

Use Visual Studio Net.2003 (don't even think about Net.2002)
I have experience with C++ compiler and I can say that It is much better than in VC++ 6.0 , It doesn't produce faster code but C++ compiler can compile very advance C++ constructions like: partial class and function templates so it makes lifes easier. VS 6.0 often for templates generates Compiler Internal Error and it is terrible to findout what construction is not fully supported by
compiler.
Also you can find out usefull for you that you can switch compilation for Intel p4 and AMD with SIMD od 3dNow ext.
Net.2003 has some problems with bigger solutions contains more than 20/30 projects, sometimes some of the projects just disappear with all settings. so make bakup of the solution files.
Regards
bearek

Originally Posted by omidgl

I think if you don't need to involve yourself with .NET and Microsoft IL, then VC++ 6 is steal the best environment for every real programmers.

Would be true if VC++6 could be used to compile C++ sources. Unfortunately it has such a terrible language support that I can't treat it a C++ compiler. For mainly C projects it is perfect.